Long Mei 朗美 is an area in Luk Tuen (Six Villages) 六村
Luk Tuen 六村 is currently part of the Dausan 斗山 area, but it has been part of several different areas in the past.
Dausan 斗山 is an area in Toisan 台山
Toisan 台山 is an area in Canton 廣東

(Think of it like street, neighborhood, city, county, state…)

Toisan 台山 used to be known as Sunning/Xinning 新寧 before early in the 20th century, thus the Sunning/Xinning railroad 新寧鐵路.

Toisan 台山 was originally one of the Szeyip (Four Counties) 四邑, but in the past few decades a fifth area has been added, creating the Five Counties 五邑

The Six Villages 六村 is a collection of small villages centered around a market town 沙坦市 (these might be the wrong characters). Families often referenced the market town to help distinguish similarly named nearby villages.

Some background information on Chan/Chen/Chin/Chinn/Chun/Tan/… can be found at http://houseofchinn.com/

Most of the 107 generations were posted (in a somewhat orderly fashion) by userid ‘philitancl’ at http://siyigenealogy.proboards.com/

The siyigenealogy board was (still is?) a helpful place for genealogy research for families from Toisan.

I’ll post the Geni links next.

One Chinese page which has been copy-pasted all over the Chinese web provides a partial lineage for CGH 陈宜禧.

g20: 陳良代 –> (1)實學, 哲學, (3)蘭學, 資學
g21: 實學 –> ??, ??, (3) 陳宜禧 CGH

The Chinese page notes that CGH 陳宜禧 was the third biological son of (1) 實學, but (3) 蘭學 did not have sons and “adopted” CGH 陳宜禧 into his line. This was a very common practice.

The only Chinese page with this information provides no sources, no references, no links, no photographs, no scans, etc.

None of the documentation available to me references 陳良代. No (identifiable) close relationship seems to exist between CGH 陳宜禧 and CCH’s 陳程學 fathers, grandfathers or great-grandfathers. It seems to imply that the term 族叔 should be interpreted as “族 clan 叔 uncle”: you’re a Chin (from the same line/generation poem) and you’re one generation older than me, we don’t know how we’re actually related.

All of the above information is neither verified nor corroborated.

Long Mei 朗美 is an area in Luk Tuen (Six Villages) 六村
Luk Tuen 六村 is currently part of the Dausan 斗山 area, but it has been part of several different areas in the past.
Dausan 斗山 is an area in Toisan 台山
Toisan 台山 is an area in Canton 廣東

(Think of it like street, neighborhood, city, county, state…)

Toisan 台山 used to be known as Sunning/Xinning 新寧 before early in the 20th century, thus the Sunning/Xinning railroad 新寧鐵路.

Toisan 台山 was originally one of the Szeyip (Four Counties) 四邑, but in the past few decades a fifth area has been added, creating the Five Counties 五邑

The Six Villages 六村 is a collection of small villages centered around a market town 沙坦市 (these might be the wrong characters). Families often referenced the market town to help distinguish similarly named nearby villages.

As for the 107 generations, Philip Tan (Tan is a Malaysian[?] spelling of Chin/Chan/Chen) has done a great deal of research in Chinese and English and collected many Chin registries. Very useful information, in English!, can be found at his website http://houseofchinn.com/ and at http://siyigenealogy.proboards.com/ where his userid is: philiptancl The siyigenealogy board was (still is?) a helpful place for genealogy research for families from Toisan.

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These Geni profiles trace the Chan/Chen/Chinn/Tan/… surname. The trailing numbers refer to generation count from various important/famous ancestors. (I believe all of this was originally entered by Philip or someone using the information from the above websites)

To find others you will need to know the tree or the Pinyin spelling of the name.

Chen Hu Gong 陳胡公 — “the first Chen/Chin/Chinn/Chan/Tan/…”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_(state)
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/陳胡公
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%99%B3%E8%83%A1%E5%85%AC
http://www.geni.com/people/Chén-Hú-Gōng-陳胡公-42-34-1G-Guī-Mǎn-媯滿/6000000000104035781
http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000000104035781

Chen Feng Tai 陳鳳臺 is the “honorific” name for Chen Hui 陳輝, the “father” of the Chan/Chen/Chin/Chinn/Tan’s from Toisan and several areas of southeastern China. — I think 66 other families of servants and allies fled with them –
http://www.geni.com/people/Chén-Fèng-Tái-陳輝公-鳳臺-123-82-35-號-鳳臺/6000000003224933961
http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000003224933961

Chén Xuān 陳宣124, 116, 83, 36, 1G
— This branch first moved to XinHui/Sunwui 新會 county before eventually moving to XinNing/Sunning 新寧 county, modern day Toisan 台山.
http://www.geni.com/people/Chén-Xuān-陳宣124-116-83-36-1G/6000000003225692119
http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000003225692119
“Note on Generation Numbers (124, 116, 83, 1世)

Xuān is a 124th generation descendant of Huang Di (the Yellow Emperor) (2,697-2,597 BC), and following the patrilineal line of descent:
a 116th generation descendant of Gui Shun Di, 媯舜帝, 9,1G (2,305-2,205 BC)
a 83th generation descendant of Chén Hú Gōng 陳胡公, 42, 34,1G the first ruler of the Chen Kingdom
a 36th generation descendant of Chén Shí Gōng, 陳實(寔)公, 89,81,48,1G founder of the Ying Chuan Branch of the Chen Family (潁川)”

– some additional information about the fleeing can be found on the brother’s profile http://www.geni.com/people/Chén-Mó-陳謨-124-83-36-1/6000000003225199627

Chén Fènggé 陳鳳閣, 125, 84, 37, 2G — another famous ancestor
http://www.geni.com/people/Chén-Fènggé-陳鳳閣-125-84-37-2G/6000000003652288325
http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000003652288325

*** Chén Tiānxiáng 裔昌/從善/天祥 settled 東山, 台山 128,120,87,40,5,1G ***
*** this Chen settled in the Toisan 台山 area ***
http://www.geni.com/people/Chén-Tiānxiáng-裔昌-從善-天祥-settled-東山-台山-128-120-87-40-5-1G/6000000016684945001
http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000016684945001

*** Chén YuánKāng 遷榮/元康/獲寓 ***
*** this is the first Chen to settle/establish 朗美村 LongMei village ***
http://www.geni.com/people/Chén-Yuán-Kāng-遷榮-元康-獲寓-132-124-91-44-9-5G/6000000016684796200
http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000016684796200

This is the last Chen in CCH’s branch that is in the Geni tree. (For those of you playing along at home with your secret decoder rings, look in the far right column on page 28 of 70. No, I can’t provide you with a copy… but others might, if you ask nicely). Notice the 10G, representing the tenth generation in Luk Tyun – the Six Villages – 六村. He is also 96G for Chen 陳 surname.

Chén Lue 陳畧, 137, 129, 96, 49, 14, 10G (光)
http://www.geni.com/people/陳畧-137-129-96-49-14-10G-光/6000000023406253386
http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000023406253386

CCH 陳程學, 148, 140, 107, 60, 25, 21G
21G in Luk Tyun – the Six Villages – 六村.
107G for Chen 陳 surname.
17G in Long Mei 朗美 village.

How interesting and confusing.

a) I thought Long Mei is the ‘Six Villages’

b) I haven’t seen or heard of the tree with 107 generations.

All of our trees, which have been maintained by CCH son’s say CCH is generation 21.

I’m am curious about your 107 generation tree.

CCH (程学蔑)’s grandfather is CMF 茂豐
CMF 茂豐 had three (known) brothers: CMN 茂鰲, CMS 茂實, CMY 茂遠

If the relationship CGH-CCH is 族叔, one of the three brothers CMN 茂鰲, CMS 茂實, CMY 茂遠 should be CGH’s great-grandfather. I do not have lineage for CGH (陈宜禧) or the brothers.

The generation number depends on where you start.
For ‘Six Villages’ CCH is generation 21.
For ‘Long Mei’ village CCH is generation 17.
For Chan/Chen/Chin CCH is generation 107 (in the tree I have).

In your genealogy chart posted in comment #51, I see the CCH is listed as Gen. 16. I see in our Family Biography CCH is listed as Gen. 21. This is a recently updated version of the tree.

Just curious. Are you related to CCH or CGH?

– Ben –
族叔 is inaccurately translated. An accurate translation makes CCH and CGH’s father SECOND-degree cousins: CGH’s GREAT-grandfather was brother to CCH’s grandfather.
堂叔 would make the two men FIRST-degree cousins.
叔 would make the two men brothers.

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