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		<title>apture&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess it happened like they say in the brochures, the guys in my college dorm started a company (called &#8216;apture&#8217;), now with millions of dollars of initial funding. This by itself is a great feat and I&#8217;m impressed that these guys, who could have been you or me in other respects &#8212; I know [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it happened like they say in the brochures, the guys in my college dorm started a company (called <a href="http://www.apture.com">&#8216;apture&#8217;</a>), now with millions of dollars of initial funding. This by itself is a great feat and I&#8217;m impressed that these guys, who could have been you or me in other respects &#8212; I know them so I know &#8212; made it happen. (But please, this is not to say there is something wrong with being Joe Codemonkey or Bob Engineer.)</p>
<p>At first I wasn&#8217;t too impressed with the technology. In terms of conception, popping up content on a page isn&#8217;t too much different from what people naturally do by opening tabs or what designers do in more laboriously manual fashion. Sure it looks nicer and saves work, but is that really going to revolutionize the web? Does that befit the ridiculous moniker web 3.0? Of course not. If that&#8217;s all there is, it&#8217;s a flash in the pan and stupid. But when I realized that <a href="http://www.apture.com/builder/">server-side embedding is really what they&#8217;re doing</a>, I recognized the <a href="?p=30">Trojan potential</a> in this, and I must say it&#8217;s a brilliant business move and sets up for potentially much more exciting technologies once they get around to implementing them.<br />
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Everybody is trying to sell platform these days, and they do this by taking over your browser and making it merely a passive window, like a television set. If Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, Amazon, or Facebook can just get you to surrender your browser to them by installing one of their &#8220;platform&#8221; tools, then they&#8217;re set. They can leisurely figure out on their end what they can deliver to you, which is: whatever they want. What happens on the server side they can control.</p>
<p>So apture can figure out what they want later. What they need is to hook you to them now, and each company hooks you with something useful, be it search, video, socializing, games, page presentation, or something else. Although I must say if you look at the situation this way, then in this race, the most compelling platforms remain Google and Facebook, whose hooks rise to some level of indispensability.</p>
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		<title>An improvised dialogue on Wolfram&#124;Alpha</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 23:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[18:01] fakalin: hey [18:01] fakalin: did you try wolfram alpha [18:02] me: waht [18:02] fakalin: what [18:02] fakalin: jeez you&#8217;re out of touch [18:02] fakalin: http://www.wolframalpha.com/ [18:04] me: what is this [18:04] me: i don&#8217;t get it [18:04] fakalin: what&#8217;s it like living under a rock [18:04] fakalin: ask it something [18:04] fakalin: anything [18:04] [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[18:01] fakalin: hey<br />
[18:01] fakalin: did you try wolfram alpha<br />
[18:02] me: waht<br />
[18:02] fakalin: what<br />
[18:02] fakalin: jeez you&#8217;re out of touch<br />
[18:02] fakalin: http://www.wolframalpha.com/<br />
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[18:04] me: what is this<br />
[18:04] me: i don&#8217;t get it<br />
[18:04] fakalin: what&#8217;s it like living under a rock<br />
[18:04] fakalin: ask it something<br />
[18:04] fakalin: anything<br />
[18:04] me: it&#8217;s down<br />
[18:04] fakalin: oh<br />
[18:04] fakalin: lol<br />
[18:04] fakalin: read up on it<br />
[18:06] me: but what&#8217;s the idea, these are all pre computed?<br />
[18:06] fakalin: here it comes<br />
[18:06] fakalin: HERE IT COMES<br />
[18:06] fakalin: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wolfram+alpha<br />
[18:08] me: hmm<br />
[18:08] me: but what does this have to do with the web<br />
[18:09] fakalin: um<br />
[18:09] me: except that the users are &#8220;on the web&#8221;<br />
[18:09] fakalin: the fact that you can use it using this thing called a &#8216;web browser&#8217;<br />
[18:09] me: that&#8217;s weak<br />
[18:09] me: i&#8217;m asking this because it is compared to google<br />
[18:09] fakalin: it&#8217;s useful for some things i guess<br />
[18:10] me: that&#8217;s a weak statement<br />
[18:10] fakalin: you&#8217;re weak<br />
[18:10] me: in fact it can&#8217;t get waker<br />
[18:10] me: weaker<br />
[18:12] me: “Alpha does not answer natural language queries &#8212; you have to ask questions in a particular syntax, or various forms of abbreviated notation.”<br />
[18:12] me: ok<br />
[18:13] me: “and it computes answers, it doesn&#8217;t merely look them up in a big database.”<br />
[18:13] me: i don&#8217;t see a clear distinction<br />
[18:13] me: even SQL can compute<br />
[18:13] fakalin: it&#8217;s basically a bunch of expert systems<br />
[18:13] fakalin: lol<br />
[18:13] fakalin: so your argument is &#8216;even sql can do stuff&#8217;<br />
[18:14] me: i&#8217;m quoting an article<br />
[18:15] me: not impressed<br />
[18:15] fakalin: yawn<br />
[18:15] me: wolfman is overreaching<br />
[18:15] me: again<br />
[18:15] me: “Stephen showed me many interesting examples &#8212; for example, Wolfram Alpha was able to solve novel numeric sequencing problems, calculus problems, and could answer questions about the human genome too.”<br />
[18:16] me: this sounds like mathematica<br />
[18:16] fakalin: no shit sherlock<br />
[18:16] me: but then<br />
[18:16] fakalin: it&#8217;s like mathematica on the web with some added modules<br />
[18:16] me: &#8220;It was also able to compute answers to questions about many other kinds of topics (cooking, people, economics, etc.). &#8221;<br />
[18:16] me: see, this is too vague\<br />
[18:16] fakalin: you&#8217;re too vague<br />
[18:16] me: i guess i&#8217;ll have to wait for it to resurrect<br />
[18:16] me: and try myself<br />
[18:16] fakalin: keep trying<br />
[18:16] fakalin: it just came out yesterday<br />
[18:16] fakalin: sometimes it works<br />
[18:17] me: haha<br />
[18:18] me: i&#8217;d like to see ONE example where something non trivial in a non-scientific field is &#8220;computed&#8221;<br />
[18:21] me: ok<br />
[18:22] me: anagrams<br />
[18:22] me: that&#8217;s one example i guess<br />
[18:22] fakalin: lol what<br />
[18:22] me: and maybe decoding stuff<br />
[18:22] fakalin: what are you blathering about<br />
[18:22] me: an example of computing a non scientific topic<br />
[18:22] fakalin: who cares about that<br />
[18:22] fakalin: you and your straw men<br />
[18:22] me: lol<br />
[18:22] fakalin: unit conversions nigga<br />
[18:23] me: that&#8217;s mat<br />
[18:23] me: math<br />
[18:23] fakalin: lol<br />
[18:23] fakalin: news flash<br />
[18:23] fakalin: computers can do math<br />
[18:23] me: dude, i know that<br />
[18:23] me: that&#8217;s mathematica<br />
[18:23] me: i&#8217;m trying to figure out how this wolframalpha is new<br />
[18:23] fakalin: simple<br />
[18:23] me: the thing is, if you know the word &#8220;anagram&#8221;, you can find an anagramming tool<br />
[18:23] fakalin: find a website on the internet like it<br />
[18:24] me: sure, it&#8217;s more convenient<br />
[18:24] me: but it&#8217;s not a one stop shop<br />
[18:24] me: which google is<br />
[18:24] me: like i said, you can find an &#8220;anagramming&#8221; tool<br />
[18:24] me: if you want to do anagrams<br />
[18:24] me: same with just about any other &#8220;tagged&#8221; computation type<br />
[18:25] me: it&#8217;d be more interesting if wolfram alpha computes things for which tools haven&#8217;t been built &#8230;.<br />
[18:25] me: this is a bit problematic<br />
[18:26] me: see, google can work because everybody writes in some language it indexes<br />
[18:26] me: however, on the web, people do not write computational tools solely in mathematica<br />
[18:26] me: if they did, then wolfram alpha can just glom onto all of those<br />
[18:26] me: but as is, they only have wolfram researchers to write stuff<br />
[18:30] fakalin: lol<br />
[18:30] me: you see my point though, right?<br />
[18:31] fakalin: that wolfram alpha just packages things together and offers nothing new?<br />
[18:31] fakalin: could say the same about google<br />
[18:31] fakalin: you just like shitting on new things<br />
[18:31] fakalin: communist hates change<br />
[18:32] me: i&#8217;m saying wolfram alpha is like yahoo<br />
[18:32] me: unlike google<br />
[18:33] fakalin: except yahoo sux<br />
[18:33] fakalin: lolzz<br />
[18:33] me: my point is, they depend on experts</p>
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