{"id":166,"date":"2009-03-07T16:41:39","date_gmt":"2009-03-07T21:41:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/scripts.mit.edu\/~zong\/wpress\/?p=166"},"modified":"2009-03-07T16:52:27","modified_gmt":"2009-03-07T21:52:27","slug":"is-this-true","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.yhuang.org\/?p=166","title":{"rendered":"Is this true?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>So this thing on Wikipedia<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Noisy-channel_coding_theorem\">http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Noisy-channel_coding_theorem<\/a><\/p>\n<p>could have left it at the classical statement of the theorem with bullet #1. Then it goes on to say:<\/p>\n<p>2. If a probability of bit error \\(p_b\\) is acceptable, rates up to \\(R(p_b)\\) are achievable, where<\/p>\n<p>\\(R(p_b) = \\frac{C}{1-H_2(p_b)}\\).<\/p>\n<p>3. For any \\(p_b\\), rates greater than \\(R(p_b)\\) are not achievable.<br \/>\n<!--more--><br \/>\nI have never seen this before. At first glance, this seems questionable, as Fano&#8217;s converse gives \\(P_e^{(n)} \\ge 1 &#8211; \\frac{1}{nR} &#8211; \\frac{C}{R}\\), which seems to converge to \\(H_b(p_e) \\ge p_e\\) for \\(p_e \\in [0,0.5]\\). So it must mean whatever is used to code this is not going to be a long block code.<\/p>\n<p>One example where this is true is the binary symmetric channel, with uncoded transmission. But I&#8217;m not so sure what is the achievability scheme in general, although I have some ideas &#8212; it may involve quantizing the excess codewords to the nearest zero-error codewords. The converse I have no idea.<\/p>\n<p>In terms of the statement, it is really unclear what is meant by &#8220;bit error&#8221;. In the classical statement, a message from a large alphabet is coded into some \\(X^n \\in \\mathcal{X}^n\\) where \\(\\mathcal{X}\\) is the channel input alphabet. After decoding, \\(X^n\\) is either found correctly, or it is in error. There is no &#8220;bit&#8221; in here. Even if \\(X\\) is binary, is the bit error the received (uncooked) bit error? Or is it the decoded (cooked) bit error? Why should the decoded bit error matter, isn&#8217;t that a codebook artifact? Or is it the bit error in the original message, if the original message is to be represented by a bit-stream? But that is also entirely arbitrary.<\/p>\n<p>Anyway I&#8217;d like a clarification from someone or a reference.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>So this thing on Wikipedia http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Noisy-channel_coding_theorem could have left it at the classical statement of the theorem with bullet #1. Then it goes on to say: 2. If a probability of bit error is acceptable, rates up to are achievable, where . 3. For any , rates greater than are not achievable.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[963,962,964,467,967,961,336,965,966,652],"class_list":["post-166","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-binary-symmetric-channel","tag-classical-statement","tag-codewords","tag-error","tag-frac","tag-input-alphabet","tag-math","tag-noisy-channel","tag-theorem","tag-wikipedia"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.yhuang.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/166","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.yhuang.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.yhuang.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.yhuang.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.yhuang.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=166"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/blog.yhuang.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/166\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.yhuang.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=166"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.yhuang.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=166"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.yhuang.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=166"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}